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  • This design was also stolen for use on T-shirts here on ebay.

    It’s probable that more of the designs in the ebay store Cult Mafia Clothing are also stolen…..

  • I contacted Miiif to rag on them about this.
    This is their reply.

    “How about you purchase the tshirt and notice the tag that clearly states it’s a tshirt paying homage to Banksy, his artwork and great influence on us as designers and the range?”

    Tell them what you think,
    [email protected]

  • you don’t pay homage to a designer/artist by profiting off his work.

  • regardless whether they stated on the tag that it was banksy’s design they are still profiting from another designers work. i know i wouldnt be happy if someone was selling t-shirts with my artwork and not giving me any commission.

    i guess thats the problem with the design and the fashion industry these days, theres no respect, a lack of creativity and a unquenchable thirst for money. all the wrong people are working in the industry and the result is as shown above.

    poor form on miiifs behalf.

  • not the first time this has happened…

  • It’s a copy but I actually like the tshirt

  • I must say, the heart added in at the top looks pretty crap.

  • I like both the graffiti and the tee. It’s a tiny bit different, but if the tee looks good, I’d wear it. I hope they really are giving respect and credit to Banksy though, otherwise that’s pretty bad.

  • Dani, it’s not different from the full Banksy peice, only the example used to compare.
    Though they are giving credit to Banksy, they don’t state anywhere on the website or on the page of where the t is shown (that i can see).
    Major RIP.

  • That’s the thing about Banksy, he is doing illegal art so he can’t really go around claiming copyright for it. Someone could make a whole book showcasing Banksy art and cut Banksy out of the deal since he’s not going to fess up about it. It’s an odd situation. Not that I support the t-shirt print but legally they are safe.

  • Too true Kevin. When they put it on the street they are giving it to the world. However, if people are trying to profit from the art and cut out the artist, I would in no way support that company. Thats why I’m glad this site exists; I can identify the thieves and boycott their product.

  • Yeah the heart is insignificant, anyone hugging something is assumed to have a love/affection for it. Clearly they don’t appreciate the subtlety and pure distillation of concept that goes into Banksy’s composition.

    Futhermore Banksy and the city of Melbourne have a great relationship, so for a Melba based label to do this is the utter most disrespect. Why don’t they just spit on everyone that lives there.

    More seriously, this stinks, I sent them an e-mail saying so, and although I like their Flash site (I think it looks quite nice, and the photography/makeup of the model – works well with the ruin concept) I won’t be buying their product. Well not for 12 months anyway, everyone deserves the time to redeem themselves.

    I’ll just spend the money on another Dangerfield shirt lol

    - LiQ XOXOX

  • This is a reply I received personally from Miiif.

    “The reason I said why dont you purchase the tshirt is because it is in fact NOT FOR SALE. You can’t purchase it. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere is it for sale and nor will it ever be. The garment MAY be featured in certain select stores on display in a clear casing as a tribute to Banksy as well as being accompanied by tags and posters tributing the artist and his influence on us. On top of that, there is a portion of our launch party commemorating his work and great design.

    I tell you why noone knows any of this? Because for one, the range hasn’t launched yet. Secondly, the tshirt isn’t in stores yet. Thirdly, we haven’t even finalised what’s going to be IN the range yet we have just photographed the samples. Fourthly, we haven’t had a launch party therefor no tribute has been done yet. And fifthly, we still might not even put it in stores if we feel it’s inapporpriate to do a tribute.

    And then, some random dude who seems to think he has more knowledge than me about my own label and what we are releasing, sees a sample shot (that we probably shouldn’t have released), and makes a whole heap of assumptions about my label and what is going out there. You cannot, I repeat YOU CANNOT buy this tshirt nor will you EVER be able to. If you can, it won’t be made by us, that’s for sure.

    This has been taken out of context completely and, with absolutely no questions asked as to why the garment was even made. The range is NOT even out yet (I can’t say that enough), just photos of SOME of the samples we think we will release have been put out on our Facebook and website. Noone has said what has even made it into the range yet, but I can tell you personally that this tshirt is not for sale. We are currently completeing our website, you will notice absolutely NO images have descriptions on them. That’s because we are working on fixing this and although I design clothes, I also made that website and haven’t had the time to complete it. When it is fixed, the tshirt will be put back up with a full description and what it means IF we decide to go ahead with our tribute.

    I repeat, this top is not for sale. I would think with such an enormous amount of time to bad mouth my label you would have thought not to believe everything you read on the internet, written by someone who has absolutely no idea about our range. I mean, for one part, I don’t even know what we’re officially going to release yet :) I can’t stress enough how disappointing it is to see people bagging out young independant labels and saying we have no talent.

    I built our website myself, any animation, videos, drawings, promotional stuff, our myspace, everything I have personally taken the time and put in the effort to learn how to create myself and make. I would not in any way ever bag out another label if I knew they were giving it a real go, which is why it is disappointing to see.

    Anyways, judge whatever you like mate.

    Cheers for reading
    Laz”

    Think whatever you may…I’m going to stop ripping on them.

  • Oks wow, I just got quite the reply from Miiif. I thought I should post it here as it will clear things up in regard to this ‘rip’.

    ___________________

    Hi (LiQ),

    Thanks for your feedback. The person who has taken this tee and called it a ‘rip’ has taken it completely out of context without any knowledge of our brand, the range or the garment. The range has not even launched yet!! This garment is NOT for sale or ever will be despite what this person has said. It MAY be featured in stores as a tribute piece enclosed in a clear caseing with tags and posters and whatnot commemorating the artist. We are not attempting to make any money off this garment, only 3 have even been made, and the plan was to also devote a portion of our launch party/fashion show to Banksy and his influence on us as designers. This tshirt, I repeat, THIS TSHIRT IS NOT FOR SALE.

    On top of that, our website is not complete and you will notice that no images on the site have descriptions or anything. We built the website ourselves and have honestly not had the time to add this feature yet. When we do, a full description of this garment and what it is will come out IF we decide to go ahead with our tribute.

    Not everything you read on the internet is true, and really, why would we ever rip off such a well known artist? It is a tribute piece, and once again, the range has NOT launched, just pictures of some of the samples have been put out there, and obviously it has all been taken out of context by someone who feels he has more knowledge than us.

    Thanks for your time and we’re sorry to hear you will not be supporting us in the future.

    Cheers
    Miiif.

    ___________________

    I have written back apologising for jumping to conclusions, retracting my little boycott and thanking them for their in-depth response.

    Does anyone have any further thoughts on this? Does the issue of them potentially riding on Banksy’s popularity arise concerns? Or am I over-analysing, knit-picking and trying hard to look for something bad? Which of course is something I despise (always see the good ^_^).

    I think ultimately the fact they made a tee – something they sell – featuring someone else’s art work on it was not the brightest idea.

    Interesting!

    - LiQ XOOXOXO

  • lol Timing, you beat me by 4 mins :P

    - LiQ XOXOX

  • Still, I haven’t seen anything stating that Banksy’s permission was asked first? MAYBE IT HAS BEEN, I’m not saying otherwise, but it would seem appropriate to ask permission before reproducing any artists image no matter what the purpose, whether it be a tribute or whatever. One other thing, why has the image been fixed with the heart? Love for Banksy?

  • Sounds like a lot of backtracking to me.

    “Oh yeah, we just added a heart to the top of someone else’s image and put it on a t-shirt with all the other stuff we’re actually going to sell as a TRIBUTE… that we might not do.”

    Right, that makes perfect sense…

    I will say that if they planned on selling the shirt, they’re likely not going to now. So I’ll chalk it up as a victory for original ideas. Thumbs up.

  • Yeah, these guys freaked out majorly when they started to get this attention. It is a lot of backtracking definitely. Word to criticism and this site.

  • Haha too true Matt that’s exactly what I wanted to say but didn’t want to get my head bitten off haha! The first thing my partner also said when he read the thread was “backtracking!!”, the e-mail is absolutely full of subtle contradictions. I’m also glad to see that you Gerard are not backing down after getting that e-mail. I mean we’ll never know the guy might be being honest but then again how the hell is reproducing an image onto a teeshirt in fluoro pink with a heart added at the top paying tribute? In many artists cases I think it would probably be deemed more offensive than anything… “Yeah uh thanks, but, uh, that’s fucking heinous.”

  • miiif guys must think we’re stupid…

    to start off, this wasn’t posted as a grudge to the miiif label, but in disgust to their disrespectful copy of the banksy stencil.

    if they didn’t this must negative attention i’m sure the tee would still be up on their page, and more then likely sold on ebay and their website…

    i’m sure most of you are capable of making your own mind up whether this is right or wrong…

    i admire any independent label who works hard to get noticed especially local labels, i heavily frown upon those whom steal and copy concepts and design.

    no love. no respect. no support.
    sorry.

  • they should have contacted the designer first before putting it on a shirt and deciding if they still want to sell it or not. their email is so far the WORST EMAIL i have read this year. LAMEST REASONS. Talk about amateurs.

  • Whether Banksy was going to be credited or not, in either I hope they got his permission. An image doesn’t have to be published in a book in order to gain copyright protection, I’m certain graffiti (illegal or no) also has the same rights as other original works.

    I’m glad Miiif recognise that it is Banksy’s work, however giving Banksy credit for the work doesn’t give them the right to publish his image without his permission. Again, I hope this shirt has Banksy’s blessing.

    Might I also add, that my first impression of Miiif was that it was a professional independant design company.

    After reading their email responses, I can’t imagine how unprofessional they could be. It seems Miiif don’t have a separate person to handle PR as those replies sounded like they took the accusations very personally and the responses were much ruder than I would expect from a reputable company. I am amazed at their prowess in photography but am interested to see the different in standard between imagery and PR.

    Come on Miiir, you can do much better than this.

    I am also interested to see in their email their comment on how they make ‘their own website, promotional material, everything’, yet the issue here is their imitation of another image.

    In closing: Really hope you have Banksy’s permission… that would be the redemption.

  • Nobody needs Banksky’s permission to use or sell any of his graffiti art (including the original piece) its all in the public domain. That what happens when you create art on other people’s property.

    If you create a doodle on my book, that doodles mine not yours.

  • What can you expect from a country founded by criminals?

    ha ha!

  • bob, luvbite, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    you are confusing public with public domain. NOT the same thing. no one has rights to an artist’s work unless the artist gives them it, no matter where it is. if you think about it , this is common sense – otherwise billboards by nike and you wearing your shirt design would also be in public and therefore takeable.

    doing street art does NOT mean you are giving the rights away to it, its not for you to say that on behalf of the artist.

    banksy is a hypocrite on the other hand, publicly dissing copyright and behind the scenes threatening law suits for infringement. google if you want to know more.

    this “tribute” thing is a load of bull. even IF they werent going to sell it, its obviously trying to co-brand with him to market their own stuff which amounts to the same. as if he needs any more publicity anyway. banksy is so boring its untrue.

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  • Luvbite may be right in the assertion that Banksy gives up his “copyright” when he paints on public property, given that he wishes to remain anonymous to avoid being arrested.

    Creative works made anonymously are free for anyone to copy and publish for profit.

    I’d love to see how a court interprets the copyright laws in a case like this.

    jack, billboard adverts are on private property.

    “Public” art means in the public domain, key word public. If you don’t want to loose your copyright don’t paint without permission.

    You can’t break laws then expect laws to protect your “art”.

  • I love Banksy’s work but he’s no angel himself when it comes to trademarks and copyright. He’s quite happy to incorporate McDonalds and Tesco’s trademarks in his pieces when it suits him (or her).

  • LuvBite, Maccraig,

    You really need to have a better understanding of copyright before posting incorrect information.

    Creative works are never made “anonymously” – the work itself is a signature and an artist does not need to sign work for copyright to be in effect (see the copyright act – US Code Title 17) – copyright is automatically attributed. And simply because the art is created in a manner that may (or may not) be in violation of one law, it does not negate the copyright law. It’s not the same as contract law.

    Swampcat,

    Banksy’s use of McDonald’s imagery is a casebook example of parody under the fair-use provision.

    Using Banksy’s images even as a promotion is something that must be authorized by Banksy. Advertising and promotion is a commercial use, even if the item is NOT being sold. The T-Shirt company gains credibility and exposure by use of his work. He has a right to be compensated for that use.

  • Just because you are allowed to do something, does not make it ethical. Why are we so easily persuaded that law and ethics are the same thing? Banksy deserves more respect than this. When you break it down, his work was used for ADVERTISING regardless of sales, tributes or indecisiveness as to intentions.

    how about more graffiti, LESS advertising?

    I came across this site by looking for info about the up-market, snobby fashion boutique who put Banksy images in their shop window. Graffitists tagged it: “don’t use Banksy to sell your shit”
    I heard the story was on the news, but I can’t find ANYTHING about it.

    any comments?

  • Furthermore, graffiti is constantly censored by the authorities, but we are bombarded with advertising all the time! So graffiti is ok as long as it is an advertisement or has some other commercial purpose? Is an anti-graffiti campaign a cover for anti-counter capitalists?

    My train station has just started allowing advertising INSIDE it (which I think is a disgrace), while the anti-graffiti campaign gets more ridiculous every day and I still pay the same for public transport.

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