Nrmal rips NBC’s old logo


Nrmal are a bunch of kids in Monterrey Mexico who call themselves a collective and the only thing they do is organize parties, dress like nu ravers take pictures of people in those parties and copy the cobrasnake in everything they do. But that’s not all they’re copying. Their logo is a blatant ripoff of NBC’s 1976-1979 logo. Check it out. The first picture is a sign with the Nrmal logo posted outside of one of their parties. The second one is the original NBC logo.

Posted by sonrics  |  38 Comments  |  in Uncategorized


  1. Ben Wilhelm 04/30/2008 2:40 am

    I imagine it’s unintentional. For one thing, it’s not exactly the least likely logo to accidentally come up with if your group starts with the letter N. For another thing, given the dates involved and the apparent age of the Nrmal people, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it was buried in their collective unconsciousness and just got pulled out of that.

    Furthermore, I can’t really imagine that they would want to be known by the NBC logo.

    Still, it looks pretty unambiguously a copied logo, unintentionally or not.

  2. Ben Wilhelm 04/30/2008 2:48 am

    I ended up browsing the NBC logos on Wikipedia out of boredom and couldn’t help but be amused by this:

    “In February 1976, NBC was sued by the Nebraska ETV Network, Nebraska’s chain of PBS affiliates, for trademark infringement, since the new NBC logo was virtually identical to the Nebraska ETV Network logo, except in the coloring.”

    Guess which logo they’re referring to. Yeah, it’s this one again.

    I guess the lesson here is, if you come up with an incredibly simple obvious logo, someone else has probably come up with it before you did.

  3. Sarah 04/30/2008 8:49 am

    You’re a clever boy, that’s really funny!

  4. kristarella 05/01/2008 2:45 am

    I guess if NBC hasn’t used the logo in 30 years it doesn’t really matter… for a bunch of kids partying. If they were a bunch of graphic designers or something it might be a little different.

  5. sonrics 05/01/2008 4:43 am

    They ARE graphic designers also!

  6. kristarella 05/01/2008 8:38 am

    Oh… righto.

  7. Christopher 05/01/2008 6:35 pm

    I live in Monterrey, Mexico. A lot of us have known for a while. I study graphic design here at a school called CEDIM, and seeing as they’re parties have a lot of “Nu Ravers” my school here has a nice amount of them, so obviously they hang out flyers all over the school. So now they’ve been hanging out they’re flyers that they don’t even design all over the school, and of course, being a design school, our teachers noticed it a while back.

  8. x 05/01/2008 11:34 pm

    well, I think its obviously they know its nbc, but don’t care and would never deny it.

    if they’re anything like the cobrasnake, they’re all about ‘appropriating’ stuff from the 70′s and 80′s.

    this is suble enough.

    i’d be more surprised given the colors if it were coincidental.

    maybe its just me though.

  9. Mate 05/02/2008 1:42 am

    And thanks for letting me know you are using my picture on an article…
    At least the guys at Nrmal polite asked me for a bigger copy of it.

  10. Mate 05/02/2008 1:45 am

    An edit button would be nice too.

  11. sonrics 05/10/2008 12:38 am

    like you politely ask people their permission to take their pictures in parties?

  12. Anonymous 05/14/2008 6:03 pm


  13. Anonymous 06/30/2008 9:17 pm

    no but your at a party and if they dont want their picture taken they will tell you to delete it or they can cover their face.
    who cares if they take pictures of people at parties?

    i dont see much of a problem with it.
    its simple not to intricate.
    nothing like the more blatant things on this site which show copies of work that are only years or even months apart..

  14. Lucas 07/24/2008 10:02 pm

    Hi im Lucas (architect/designer) Creative Director up at Nrmal (Monterrey).

    Im also one of the Photographers who take pictures and document the stuff we do.

    Im in charge of the graphic work we produce in conjunction with other designers and collectives such as Face a graphic design studio based here in Monterrey Mexico.

    About our Logo, Dude ITS NO BIG SECRET we have been open about it since the beginning of it all. I wont go into details but having such a simple logo based upon a square is not the hardest thing to come across with and yes I know is a big big coincidence and yes the colors are even more. The colors come from our love to the Amsterdam based studio EXPERIMENTAL JETSET and their use of Red, Blue, and White in some of their work. When we found out we were using that same logo we said fuck it who cares we are using a 30 year old vintage logo that we just love and registered. Design is all about references, history and experience, not about invention and geniuses.

    Once I received some email from this designer who told me we were coping Mc Escher in one of our flyer designs, which featured an op art graphic in it, my answer was yeah our source of inspiration was all of the op art from the 60’s and of course MC Escher as simple as that. We are not claiming we have invented OP ART.

    About calling ourselves a “Collective” we work in a range of projects which involve creativeness and ideas in the fields of music & arts which materializes in a bunch of different stuff which most of it is not public for everybody to consult as the info we produce from our events. Currently we are working in a bunch of brands, such as a really popular beer here in Mexico, a taco boutique restaurant in Buenos Aires, and a Clothing Store that’s about to open here in Monterrey. We also distribute Vice Mgz, here in Mty and collaborate with a bunch of printed mgz and blogs all around. These are just a few of the things we are involved in at the moment.

    About the Cobrasnake, Yeah we take picture in parties. We document all of the things we do, we take pictures in our parties and events to people that are happy dress cool and are having fun such as the cobrasnake if they look the same well we are both doing the same activity taking pictures at parties.

    About Nu Rave, our repertory of events include really varied content, from Pier Bucci (minimal tech) to Matias Aguayo (who know the genre), Organizing the Mutek Festival and Noze (amazing French live act) in an old gym, Eltono (French street artist) art expo and a gathering in the streets for people to presence, The Rapture (indie rock band, live concert) a mural being painted by more than 6 artists from all around, MSTRKRFT (which are maybe categorized in the nu rave scene)

    WE CARE MORE ABOUT THE CONTENT THAN ABOUT THE SCENE, the scene is just a result of content and a bunch of other things that we don’t control. All of our content is built upon the basic rule of “Stuff we Like”. Some people associate Nrmal with pure trend but it is more about curating stuff and observations, bringing people and ideas together. So I don’t know you can classify us under the scene you wish, we are not making an effort to belong to any we are just doing our stuff. Nrmal is just our way of seeing things.

    Stay tunned we are soon launching in which you would find a bunch of what we do and like.

    Ohh and another thing we have a new variation of our logo, which im sure you could find a similar logo to it. Now it’s a square! ( notice: we are not claiming credits for the invention of the square.)

    If you have any sugestions or coments please contact me at [email protected]

  15. Sans. 07/26/2008 8:43 pm

    FACE Monterrey
    Rik Davila

    Rick Banks

    And i guess this is a much more broader source of inspiration.

  16. priscila estefania 07/28/2008 3:47 am

    bueeeno, solo son opiniones vdd,
    solo porque descubri que el logo era practicamente el mismo, y bueno como dice lucas, NO ERA UN SECRETO, bueno no lo era talvez, pero entonces porque la gente se saco de onda, la vdd esque nadie lo sabia.

    pero al parecer, no es la unica coincidencia, o como dirian uds, su unica fuente de inspiracion, o quiza..

    todos los grandes artistas piensan igualito.

    en fin.
    ojala salga la vdd, porque esto esta raro.

  17. Sans. Orin. Design. Gang. 07/28/2008 4:26 am

    pues definitivamente no son ni inventores ni genios ni creativos ni se basan en eso.
    si el dise;o se basara en investigacion y referencia, cual es el espacio para los inovadores y creativos?
    contaduria publica?
    cajero de soriana?

    al parecer su forma de trabajo es aprovecharse de la creciente necesidad en esta ciudad por el dise;o y en la ignorancia de sus clientes. es un insulto para los consumidores y los dise;adores y futuros dise;adores de la ciudad.

    pero bueno, dejemosle la creatividad y la conceptualizacion a los europeos…

  18. Lucas 07/28/2008 7:07 pm

    I cant see the relationship between Face Mty & Face 37 Uk is it because of the name?

    Inovation is igonring everything and starting from 0 ? I dont believe that. In Mexico we have a saying “why should we invent black thread if its already there”.

    If we use “Grid” in our design which we always do, and Helvetica. Are we copying the swiss modern movement? (which this sans dude probably thinks is new) or are we reinterpreting all of the wise heritage they left.

    If we use a triangle in one of our graphics are we claiming property of the triangle or geometry?

    I know that we put some of our work out for the public to see such as our flyers and that itself is in position of critisism which is awsome.

    This Sans Guy is saying our work is an insult to the “ignorant clients” we have. I guess he is just another HATER. I invite you to send examples of your “conceptual europian inovative designs” send them to [email protected] and let us see what you ofer which I believe is source of pure creation from 0.

  19. Sans Supporter 07/28/2008 10:17 pm

    Yo, Lucas:
    You can’t see the relationship between Face Mty & Face 37 Uk?? then I think Nrmal logo is the most different logo ever from that of the NBC…

    If you use a triangle in your graphics, you don’t claim property of it (at this rate it wouldn’t be a surprise if you do) but if someone took the traingle, and based on all the variants it can take developed some intriguing and effective grid system… and then you just claim you did it…. man, that’s definitely not just claiming a triangle as your own idea…

    By the way, San’s comment on european design was nothing but sarcasm… he’s precisely talking about YOU leaving conceptualization to europeans…

    And, come on, I was enjoying the debate until you qualified Sans as a HATER… I guess you both have better arguments…

  20. Batman 07/29/2008 1:52 am

    [to Gordon] … Sometimes, the truth isn’t good enough. Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded.

  21. Sans. Orin. Design. Gang. 07/29/2008 2:44 am

    Lucas, man, you could use a dictionary…

  22. Adrian Martinez 07/29/2008 3:08 am

    Face UK y Fce MTY?

    son franquicia o que?

  23. Lucas 07/29/2008 3:48 am

    No bad from our side guys. Our work is just our particular way of approaching a bunch of stuff and what we produce is just a result of what we live, the books we’ve read, the things we’ve seen, the places we’ve traveled, our friends, the music we listen to, our times, the little we’ve learned , the decisions we make and that’s it if you like it cool and if not you are still our friends.

    English is not my first language dude, sorry. I try my best.

    Well let me go and conceptualize now.



  24. Sans Supporter 07/29/2008 4:40 pm

    Cheers, Lucas…. cheers….

  25. Elmo 08/12/2008 4:56 am

    Pues ya alivianense y dejen de hacer las fiestas esas de la verga y ya todos felices porque no desaparecen nrmal y ya todos son felices ademas porque tienen que discutir en ingles son pinches MEXICANOS, ademas pinches bandas nalgas que tocan con ustedes puro trend adios

  26. Elmo 08/12/2008 4:59 am

    aa y ademas que pedo con la exposicion de eltono si eso es arte alrato les mando fotos de mi caca para que la pongan!

  27. Elmo 08/12/2008 5:01 am

    Pinches hijos de papi

  28. greg 08/21/2008 9:28 pm

    yeah cobrasnake was definitely the first person to have party pics as his thing. jackass

  29. grey 09/01/2008 5:34 pm

    mugre elmo tu comment
    fue el mejor xD

  30. Qué genios... 10/21/2008 4:27 am

    Ay, por favor, ese logo es lo más simple y equis del mundo. Cualquiera pudiera sacar eso con un mínimo de esfuerzo. Y por eso hacen tanto guato??? Por que otros taaaantos lo hicieron antes?

    Mejor fíjense en casos donde la copia es evidente, en China se piratearon el logo del IMSS (y muchos, pero muchos otros), y estamos de acuerdo que no es un logo simple.

    Anyways, you’re nobody ’till you get yourself a hater. Felicidades a los de Nrmal.

  31. yohabloespañol 11/04/2008 4:45 pm

    @Qué genios:

    Mas bien you´re nobody ´til you get yourself a “ball-licker” and that´s you!!. Felicidades a “Qué genios” por su entusiasmo. :P

  32. pesimismo mexicano 11/04/2008 7:51 pm

    Que pena que nosotros mismos somos la causa de que en México no exista el progreso. Existe la gente que no hace nada y por otro lado esta la gente que propone cosas nuevas. Siempre van a existir los que encuentran el lado malo a las cosas, y son esas personas las que no proponen nada nuevo.

  33. mattt 11/07/2008 11:29 pm

    Pues pónganse a registrar todas las figuras geométricas básicas para que ya no “haiga” pedo…

    Aquí el asunto no es quien es sucesor ó precursor, la naturaleza estética del diseño es subjetiva, la funcionalidad es lo que importa y si algo se parece a lo otro ¿qué vergas tiene?

    En fin… mucho pinche rollo y yo contribuyendo… Mejor pónganse a jalar cada quien en lo suyo…


  34. mattt 11/07/2008 11:35 pm

    (televisa sí se la babó…)

  35. Pedro 11/09/2008 7:01 pm

    Los cuates de Nectron también tienen un monton de chavitos diseñadores sin que hacer como Elmo y Sonrics.

    *Elmo de seguro estas bien feo y por eso la niñas de las fiestas de nrmal no te tiran un pedo.

    *Sonrics, si tan buen diseñador eres, por que no propones un logo para nrmal.

  36. NO NECTRON POR QUE 11/23/2008 3:21 am


    And Pedro, Nrmal has its share of uglies too. And I probably know those guys a lot better than you do.


    j/k luv u guys.

    hey que les parece este top 5 para el 2008:

    fleet foxes
    the dodos
    raphael saadiq

  37. S A GOULD 10/31/2010 1:36 pm

    Y’all do know, dontcha, that NBC paid big bucks to a really big ad firm to come up with that design right? Then only to find out some university designed and had been using it a year BEFORE the nbc pr folks came up with it. NBC BOUGHT IT FROM THEM. The university was delighted to be able to sell it to NBC for a million plus.

  38. Pancholacotorro 02/12/2011 12:35 am

    Pinches bola de ojetes…

    Esos putitos de nrmal se pican el fundillo entre si, quien se la mama quien lucas?


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