Forever21 ripsoff Minor Threat/Dischord

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Forever21/Heritage1981 thought they would just slip Minor Threat’s logo on a shirt without permission…

minorthreatboot021Forever21′s Shirt with Minor Threat’s logo

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Minor Threat’s logo as it appears on one of their records

 

UPDATE

The inside 

 

45 comments

  • Forever 21 sells all kinds of licensed merchandise. Is this licensed? Did you research it at all? Did you take a pic of the inside label to see what company actually designed the shirt and sold it to forever 21? Did you find out who holds the license for Minor Threat apparel? Nice detective work, sherlock holmes.

  • …. Minor Threat is a band. A band from the 80s…that is no longer together…
    You’re new to this aren’t you?

  • …and a fiercly independent and anti-corporate band at that. There is no way in the world that they would have approved this.
    See here for a previous rip that they didn’t take very lightly:
    http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/?p=339

    I hope (if & when they find out) they take them to the cleaners…

  • Nice detective work, chainsaw holmes.

  • brutallllll

  • “…. Minor Threat is a band. A band from the 80s…that is no longer together…”

    It’s exactly this kind of mentality that prevents me from putting up any of my stuff on Deviant Art or anywhere on the web, for that matter. People hop on google images and think that if they can download it, it automatically belongs to them to use even for commercial gain.

    Do you know how many people have seen that “Life/Death” ambigram from DA and had it tattooed on them or made into a t-shirt without permission? It’s embarrassing.

    @chainsaw

    As you’ve no doubt been schooled already by nomad, whether or not the bad is still playing is completely irrelevant. They still hold the copyright to their artwork and there is NO way they licensed it to some 2-bit copy/paste factory like Forever 21/heritage 1981. (Heritage1981? Even their name isn’t creative!)

  • Wow this site is visited by morons. No shit minor threat is a band. Thanks for stating the fucking obvious, everybody. They license their band name to different companies to make the merch. For those of you who think they wouldnt sell out their image to a corporation, you should go to fucking HOT TOPIC and see all the minor threat shirts and keychains they have. So, once again, someone please show me how there is NO WAY they licensed this to forever 21.

    Why is every post on this site considered guilty before proven innocent? Especially when it’s posted by some ignorant fucking kid shopping at forever 21.

  • Personally I think the logo is coincidence. Sheep/jumping sheep isn’t that new of an idea. The t-shirt however looks like a blatant rip.

  • @Chainsaw

    Calm down there pony boy…
    “ignorant fucking kid shopping at forever 21″
    Who’s the ignorant one here?
    An email exchange with Dischord/Minor Threat was done days before I posted this here…
    to let them know about it, and to confirm that is was not licensed…
    which it absolutely was not, as they confirmed.

    Knowing that it WAS NOT licensed, I did not feel the need to post the pics of the inside label that I did send to Dischord.

    “you should go to fucking HOT TOPIC and see all the minor threat shirts and keychains they have.”
    So you can go to Hot Topic, but I can’t set foot in Forever 21, you’ve crafted yourself quite a convincing line of reasoning there…

  • Hot Topic dominates Forever 21 !!

  • Yes chainsaw, everyone is a moron.
    You’re adorable.

  • FUCKPOPSTREETART

    ITS NOT A RIP BECAUSE IF YOUR ALL BOY FAIREY CAN DO IT AN GET AWAY WITH THEN ITS COOL!!!! HAHHAHHAHAHHAHHA

    WE’RE JUST A MINOR THREAT

  • @jawkdna

    wow, it seems a shame that you went through all this trouble to email the record label and take extra photos, but wouldnt mention any of this in the original post or show the photos. I smell something. Is that…..wait, it is! I smell bullshit! I knew it!

    dude, all I’m saying is there’s probably a tagless label with the name of the design company inside the shirt. They are the ones who made this horrible design, NOT forever 21 or heritage 1981.

    See you at the food court, and make sure that orange julius you’re drinking is vegan friendly!

  • “all I’m saying is there’s probably a tagless label with the name of the design company inside the shirt. They are the ones who made this horrible design, NOT forever 21 or heritage 1981.”

    Guess again, check the updated photo’s above…
    HERITAGE 81

  • Sounds like chainsaw is trying to defend her bad Minor Threat art. Admit it, thats your crappy design.

  • Ripoff Artist

    $15?! What a ridiculously cheap T.

  • That was in fact some nice detective.

  • wow, chainsaw must be a baby or totally top 40 if they don’t know the history behind the blatant anti-commercialism of minor threat/dischord. it’s so embarrassing when people with no cultural touchstones get involved in design/marketing. but i guess that’s what happens when you spend all of your time in a hot topic.

  • XcaptainXbloodX

    forever 21 is constantly being sued by various companies and artists for things like this.

    this is how forever 21 works, how they can make a profit on 14$ shirts…

    they have a “design team” that goes around and takes photos of big name clothes (if anyone works high end retail and wants to chime in about how your told to disallow photos of the merch feel free)

    they then take these photos and either;
    A) hire designers to copy it
    B) send the photos overseas production facilities and ask them to come close without duplicating it. somtimes these facilities well even offer things to them that they may or may not produce for other companies.

    somtimes, they duplicate the items a bit too well and then they get sued. dont ask me how I know this but suffice it to say I know a few people with direct experience on this varying points of the production process and that forever 21 dishes out ALOT of money keeping as much of this out of court as possible.

    some of their more basic things are of course there “own design” but thats about 20% of there stuff at best.

  • Wasn’t there some doco recently where Ian Mackaye said that Minor Threat had never licensed their logo out to anyone, ever?

  • Yeah, I highly doubt Ian McKaye ever approved ANY licensing rights to anyone, let alone Hot Topic.

  • Cripes! I just re-read and that is the original logo. lol I take back what I said about it but I still think the shirt is a rip.

  • BTW — Hot Topic doesn’t always print the band shirts themselves, Chainsaw. They buy them from licensed parties. Minor Threat/Dischord license the logo to a select few printers (as noted in the statement that Always Right posted), and then, if they’re like every other band in the world with shirts at Hot Topic, sell them to Hot Topic. That every 14 year old in the nation knows you can get shirts at HT and they haven’t been slapped with a cease and desist from Dischord yet is a likely effing example that HT’s shirts are legal.

    I love that you’re so eager to try and rip everyone a new one but you don’t know the basics of how stores get the merchandise that they sell. JAYSIS.

  • look, if nobody else is gonna say it, i will: chainsaw comes off like a big douche.

    good catch on the rip, OP

  • If your going to rail on someone for bad ‘detective work’, your own research had better be on target.

    Always Right FTW. chainsaw just got owned.

  • Chainsaw, I’ll let Corporate know you’re fighting the good fight; maybe you can get a promotion to assistant weekend night manager.

  • chainsaw was righteously owned in this discussion and will never post again because then he would have to live up to the bullshit he was spewing in here.

  • i work at forever 21, and saw this shirt like two months ago and thought it was fucking weird,
    also thought whoever actually buys this shirt wont associate the band with the name, because if they’re a guy shopping at forever 21, they most likely have never heard of minor threat.
    also,
    theres a shirt with the black flag bars with some building scene in each bar
    i forgot what it says though.
    pretty sure ian or any members of minor threat would never agree to mass producing the shirt above, i mean the guy rips labels off water bottles before drinking them
    havent really read all the responses, but heritage 1981 is still connected to forever 21 but its a seperate company i think.
    either way
    shits fucked up.

  • XcaptainXbloodX

    heritage 1981 is the same as forever 21, they just make a few companies so uneducated shoppers will think that forever 21 is a store that sells a variety of different companies.

    kinda like how urban outfitters creates “new companies” every season…

    more important than thinking your shopping a variety of companies in one store, the name game also helps with covering tracks so people cant figure out what factories it all comes from.

    heres a hint: they dont have AC….

  • time to individually destroy everyone.

    @Always Right – so the official dischord statement says they dont know where the shirt comes from. Wow, no shit.

    @Sarah – No shit Hot Topic buys licensed shirts. Thats why I have been asking who holds the Minor Threat License. Welcome to the conversation.

    @vigil – ha ha ha

    @Bob – what research am I supposed to do? What the fuck are you talking about? uuhhh.

    @Queen Sissy – Thanks. just make sure that when I come to McDonalds on my lunchbreak, you make my fries extra crispy. I like em like that.

    @Sam – ooooohhh, obvious fail statement. Dont become a fortune teller.

    @mj – dont know what to say. Stopped reading your comment after the first 5 words.

    @XcaptainXbloodX – thanks for the uneducated babbling.

    and finally:
    @jawkdna – learn how to post the facts straight up, with all your research. Two pics and a retarded statement dont fly. I helped you prove it was a bootleg. Your welcome. Do it right next time and I wont have to embarrass you again in front of all these sheep.

  • i also want to add that i’m a poor sport, a bad loser and my debate skills are subpar. i don’t respond well to constructive criticism and can only lash out in a juvenile way at those who prove me wrong.

    i sincerely apologize to everyone in this thread who was right about the rip-off. i have no idea what i’m talking about most of the time and no matter how many times it’s proven to me, my over-inflated sense of self-worth prevents me from understanding.

    you are all right. i’m an ass. thank you and goodnight.

  • amazing.

  • non collective

    it’s obvious chainsaw has been trolling this post since the beginning. this has been an epic thread full of idiots.

  • totally epic.

  • Well no, not trolling, at least not at first. He had a valid line of questions then ended the post by being arrogant.

    Had he left the line of questions without the snarky Sherlock Holmes comment, he would have got his answers, everyone would have been happy.

    “Individually destroying everyone”, including those that didn’t attack him, doesn’t help with the arrogance score either.

    Either way this has been an entertaining post.

  • THE END

  • to the first idiot.
    Dischord does not license. especially not to a chain like forever 21

  • As an employee at Forever21 I can tell you they have a no sweat shop policy so sorry captain blood, but your idea is gone.

    Although there are people trying to sue Forever21 for all kinds of copy right infringements they have a clean track record.

    I do know alot of their clothing comes from overseas where the same laws here don’t apply to them there.

    Heritgae 1981 is it’s own side company that Forever21 makes supposed to be much like the way Abercrombie and Fitch has it’s Ezra Fitch line of clothing.

    If you guys ever checked the tags you’d see it have all kinds of different labels on the clothing items, such as TwelveByTwelve and Cirque21 etc…

    Alot of this is ignorance and people outraged because of their favorite 80′s band had a t-shirt nobody seems to care about, but them, boosted.

    People pirate music everyday and you choose to complain about a band that’s broken up? Their not getting money for music YOUR probably downloading illegally, yet you have the balls to sit back and complain about a single Tee made by a company you don’t even shop at?

    Hmmm…. A little bit hypocritical I’d say…

  • epic fail @ Hmm…

    Of course, you work for the damn company so obviously you are gonna suck it and swallow all you can. You are clearly biased..

  • I haven’t read all these comments because this post is old but….FYI I worked for Forever 21 (specifically for Heritage) and heres the spill…yeah, they blatently rip off, and on purpose. It’s how they function. I was a graphic designer for them They gave me pics of shirts (either forever, or my bosses–the co. that gave heritiage a lot of designs) and said “do this one”. I’d take existing designs from Diesl or wherever they wanted, and re-do them where at least 30% of the image was different, or perhaps just enough was different. Also, they gave me a lot of overseas images to re-do and didn’t worry so much about copyright laws for those. I hated the job. They don’t even see it as illegal. Anyway, I quit because there was no creativity involved and I felt like it was all illegal. Also, as for sweatshops….hell yeah! A ton of garment companies INCLUDING Forever 21 (or Heritage, more precisely) hire companies to make their designs and their workers work for unrightfully low salaries because they are immigrant workers. I’m not an immigrant, but I worked with almost 95% immigrant workers creating the garments. I didn’t want to get in trouble so I quit, I didn’t like what I saw…

  • to simi1 thank you for posting up this fact. proves the whole point and more.

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  • i think tolkien has been ripped off by you guys.. calling each other goblins… no errr hobbits… wait… trolls yeah, trolls,,,,,

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