Carey as Lou
January 17th, 2007 by los_ed
i can’t get the images to load larger( fixed Ed), but the poster at the apple trailer site reminded me of something..
http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/thenumber23/
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They are very similar, but I think the 1995 film “In the mouth of madness” might be a better bet for where the Carey imagery came from. At the end of the film Sam Neil’s character has drawn cross all over his face and body in an attepmt to save himself from evil (both films seem to be in the psychological thiller/horror genre) And then it is more of a John Carpener vs Joel Schumacher question, or possibly the producers of the film’s, whom I can’t remember. Producers get no real credit.
what is the lower image? because i’ve seen an almost identical ford ad in an old bmx mag; same colours / tone in the image, hand written stuff on a guy but he’s standing up i think. where lou reed is written there there’s a little thumbnail of a ford 4wd.. there’s little chance i’ll find it again though.
This is not a rip. In fact, if anything, they are both rips off REAL artists. This has been done for years! Get you facts straight.
The Lou Reed cover is by Stefan Sagmeister and was pretty famous when it came out. There’s absolutely no way the designer of the movie poster wouldn’t have known about it. Pretty much a straight rip.
wasn’t there a scene in Conan the Barbarian where Arnolds face is scribed with all these runes to protect him from the demons that try to take his body?
Kinda looked like that too.
C’mon guys… writing on faces is really not unique. everything comes from somewhere else. in a sense, it’s extremely easy to find examples like this. plus without this evolution of ideas, nothing new would ever be created. new does not proceed from a vacuum.
Yeah, this isn’t a rip. Shirin Neshat has been doing this for years.
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I SAY NO, AS FACIAL TATOO’S ARE HISTORIC
Hey, c’mon. I was drawing cocks on people’s faces at parties long before these “artists” aped my style.
i agree with alex and todd, the sagmeister got to it first and LOTS of people saw it. but it doesn’t offend me too much that 23 did it for some reason.
חשבתם שלא נשים לב, אה?…
נתקלתי בבלוג מאוד מעניין, קוראים לו you thought we wouldn’t notice, והוא בלוג המוגדש להרגשה הזו של:
“הממ…. לא ראיתי את זה כבר איפשהו??”. כלומר ע….
I see a lot of good points being made about “real artists” doing this for years. However, I knew that when I posted it. My facts? Checked. There are plenty of people (like Shirin) that have used writing on the body as a way to convey their message. That is only a small piece of the reason this was posted, though. I never intended for people to begin debating whether or not writing on people was original. Sagmiester didn’t invent it, and you would probably be hard pressed to find the name of the prehistoric man who did.
It’s not the drawing on a face or body part that got to me, so much as the style of writing COMBINED with the overal composition, tone, color timing AND the art & model direction. Not that it’s at all surprising – pretty much standard ad agency BS. Take something that only a certain small market has seen (but responded well to) and re-do it.
If your going to do something – no matter how inspired, make it your own. Thats all I intended to say really.
This may not have been the right place to post it though… It seems that this site was probably made more for people whose work cannot be protected by copyrights getting jacked by designers, which is honestly much more unfortunate (and common). If someone like Sagmiester was really miffed about this, they could sue. Theres copyrights all over that shit and it would at least stand a chance in court. Where as many artists are just left with a big pile of too-fucking-bad.
Alright, thats my two cents.
LOS
the idea that you have to protect your perfect untouchable and unchangeable work is so stupid and so medieval. Your very work that you call “your own” is NOT original, somewhere something has inspired you and someone has done something similar. Be glad if it keeps being used because it means people liked.
the day you stop changing is the day you die, and thats the same with art. Monalisas face appears in t-shirts among hand drawings and thats not copy, thats a tribute. Singers singing Beatles songs are not stealing theyre doing a tribute aswell.
Be glad if your work is good enough to keep alive being reused and recalled everywhere. You cant control it once it is out there, you gave it life.
today whenever you do something you’re throwing new material to the world. where your work ends, the other’s begins, it is a cycle, we don’t own the thing we barely determine a small part of it. But the real thing s a big imagery process, changing every second, it has its own-life, we are just agents.
if you want to be a big owner of all you do, just don’t do it, keep it in your head or in a safe box locked.
things arent jus’t persistent anymore, get used. once it is out there, it will keep changing and being used and reused. and you should be glad if it does, it means it was good and people liked, it will survive because it will evolute.
being an artist is not about just creating things completely new from scratch. It is about being able to manage to combine the pieces around you, giving it new meanings and possibilities of use. That is what Warhol did with his so called “ready-mades”. The campbell tomato soup can was there and he was able to put that into a picture. He could play with the pieces and see new combinations that other couldnt see, except those that was already done.
On top of it you can add your own style and do your own thing as final touch.
all you have to do is admit it is part of the process. It did not came entirely from you and it will not stay as it is, someone will still be able to reassemble it. If youre ok with that, youre in the game. Have fun.
So, is it forbidden to anyone to write on their faces from now on? of course not! if you change the face or change the “lyrics”, it is already a new thing.
Thank you for bringing this up, even if it was a while back. When I first saw the Carey poster I was outraged because you know that no matter what kind of hack the designer was they were well aware of Sagmeister’s work. I think your points were very valid and more than anything I’m just pissed off at how apathetic people can be when trying to defend someone’s malicious efforts. Work can be copyright protected, especially when it has been created for a major artist on a mainstream label. I hope Sagmeister does sue eventually, though I haven’t heard of any efforts yet, but he has been encouraged to do so by many of his peers. It will be a small victory if he does win.
This is yet another blatant disregard of any creativity that may seep into the depths of Hollyhell and what is left of the movie poster industry. They produce nothing but crap anyway so maybe they should just stick to ripping off recognized work. I hope they do a poster where someone actually carves the text into their body, a la Sagmeister’s AIGA poster. It has been broughtun.