The Hundreds rip off Ralph Bakshi (UPDATE)
November 1st, 2007 by styledaily
YTWWN: Someone tells us that this is a tribute (see comment below) I really don’t want this post on here if this is the case;
"Quick to blame What the stone-throwers behind this website never bothered to realize was that the back of the shirt offers a very obvious homage to Cool World. Since the shop is on Rosewood Ave. it reads “Rose Would If She Could”. The tagline for that movie was “Holli Would If She Could.” Hollywood being the play there. Since The Hundreds is set on Rosewood in Hollywood, ah now it all comes together. This entire website is an exercise in Guilty Until Proven Innocent. It’s sad and YTWWN should be embarassed for the amount of unnecessary gossip they stir up."
Original Post:
These shirts are from The Hundreds Winter collection.
The girl is Holli Would, a Ralph Bakshi character from the 1992 movie Cool World.
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in other news, the hundreds come out with a shirt where they didn’t rip anything off.
So much on this site about t-shirts… who wears t-shirts anymore?
everyone, except you clearly….dan.
so they used a character from a ‘92 movie? so what.
everybody flips graphics for t-shirts. that’s why they sell well.
It’s an obvious trace. I mean, dead-on. But the thing is, they changed some things… Which might just be enough to make it so they can’t technically be sued.
But yeah, anyone with eyes can see this is SUCH a rip.
Not very creative on the hundreds part. Adobe Illustrator’s Auto Trace tool… good job.
I think if you take the color out of both images, it would be suable. The lines in the hair, face and body (everything except that hideous tattoo) are all the same.
On a different note, I contacted Ralph Bakshi a couple years ago to see if we could work out a deal to put Coonskin (aka Streetfight) on DVD, and he told me that he did not own the rights to any of his movies. My guess is that Paramount owns the writes to Cool World.
“Paramount owns the writes to Cool World”
Yea, if you check the IMDB site they state that as well.
Thanks.
Copyright. The right to copy, not the write to copy.
Not really a bite at all. If you look she has a rose on her back making her “Rose Wood” (there shop is on rosewood and fairfax)
“Not really a bite at all.”
That’s bull and you know it. Talentless hacks.
I work for Ralph Bakshi on his websites. And this was brought to my attention in a random newsletter from a musician. I was amazed it at the people’s audacity to so blatantly not change anything but the colors and adding a tattoo, but the fact that people found it so quick and are talking about it, just goes to show how obvious an error in production this kind of copyright issue represents.
Yeah, Bakshi doesn’t have the rights to go after these guys (nor the time or desire I imagine), even though he designed the characters for the film (with Louise Zingarelli R.I.P.) + wrote it. But Paramount, though not as quick to sue as Disney or FOX, will most likely be going after them if they hear about it. (I ain’t saying nottin!)
Total rip, obviously. Here’s a question for everyone: Do you think Frank Kozik (who gained his fame tracing and juxtapositioning old Preston Blair/Tex Avery cartoon characters on rock posters) should get a pass or no? (Just playing devil’s advocate)
“in other news, the hundreds come out with a shirt where they didn’t rip anything off.”
Dude that must have been SUPER limited edition!
I don’t think The Hundreds are trying to hide their inspirations.
On the contrary, I’m pretty sure they’re hoping you GET the references and that you think their tweaks are cool–’cause about half of every Hundreds season is a play, or tweak on existing images…usually of the local Cali/LA kind and they’re not very subtle: the Circle Jerks logo juxtaposed with a boom box and skate deck, XLARGE tees from the 90’s, Mr. Cartoon and lowrider culture, Shepard Fairey, The Hollywood Reporter, Mammoth Mountain, the exterminator company located off the 101 FWY in LA, the Adolescents, Hollywood postcards, etc. In short, the real issue isn’t whether The Hundreds claims to be original (I don’t think they’d argue that), but whether they’re making an effort to license the imagery and compensate their sources.
Peep Shepard Fairey’s self-admitted bust:”I met Michael Davis, bassist of the MC5 when his wife Angela Davis (not related to Black Panther Angela Davis, but an awesome coincidence) basically busted me for using the MC5 White Panther logo on an OBEY Clothing label. It was the nicest bust ever because she said she and Michael and their son were fans of Obey and that we should do an official collaboration. I wish all my busts ended up this well! I’m honored to present the OBEY/MC5 collaboration and I think the result embodies the spirit of both. Who wouldn’t want to be part of KICKIN’ OUT THE JAMS motherfuckers?”
- Shepard Fairey -”
In Shep’s case, he admits to the lift and licenses the imagery AFTER getting busted for something done via his commercial venture. A bit backwards, and only worked out because the source of his inspiration liked his take…
What the stone-throwers behind this website never bothered to realize was that the back of the shirt offers a very obvious homage to Cool World. Since the shop is on Rosewood Ave. it reads “Rose Would If She Could”. The tagline for that movie was “Holli Would If She Could.” Hollywood being the play there. Since The Hundreds is set on Rosewood in Hollywood, ah now it all comes together.
This entire website is an exercise in Guilty Until Proven Innocent. It’s sad and YTWWN should be embarassed for the amount of unnecessary gossip they stir up.
Whether the hundreds released this graphic as an homage or not doesn’t matter, it’s still a copy.
What you don’t realize is that this site serves the very purpose that it was created for.
“The intentions of this site are to showcase incidents wear someone has copied another.”
I’m sure you will be first in line for this one.
You might want to pick up one of their new era caps as well.
Good job.
i agree with weezers it still requires a lot less skill to copy/pay homage to a graphic than to come up witha original graphic. A bite is a bite bottom line doesnt matter how you want to word it.
QuickToBlame, it copies every freaking line. That’s not an ‘homage’, and it’s not Fair Use, it’s the very definition of a blatant copyright violation. If you want to use someone else’s characters to promote your stuff, you have to ask them for the privilege. That’s the basis of copyright law. It doesn’t matter that it’s got a hipster spin. Coolness does not mitigate copyright violation.
this is a perfect example of how unoriginal “streetwear” is today. the hundreds and all the other brands in that category just recycle imagery from pop culture. all it really takes these days to create a t-shirt brand is google images and adobe creative suite. it’s really a sad thing that has happened to the apparel industry and in my opinion tarnishes the legacy of true innovative streetwear brands like fresh jive.
I dont know how great an example the fresh jive is for this topic. Fresh Jive has allways been a bootleg company. I dont think any over there art has ever been original especially not the starting graphics.
Funny thing is, Bakshi was apparently no saint himself; I found various reliable resources that indicate that back in the days, Crumb didn’t give the rights to Fritz The Cat; for example, read this story: http://www.michaelbarrier.com/Funnyworld/FritzPartTwo/Crumb.htm
On the yahoo Vaughn Bode group there are accounts of close friends of Vaughn’s that confirm this: http://groups.yahoo.com/adultconf?dest=%2Fgroup%2Fv_bode%2F (login required).
EVERYBODY BITES…you gotta eat right?! Besides, everyone in the so-called “streetwear industry” is guilty of copyright infringement.
If you really want to argue go look at Stussy. Its a strong brand that started from copying corporate logos…etc…list goes on.
DUDE SAYS… “all it really takes these days to create a t-shirt brand is google images and adobe creative suite.”
So up and start a brand wiseguy… There are a lot of talented artists out there that try to put original artwork on T-Shirts and you know what? IT DOESN’T SELL. You know why? Because this isn’t the business of showcasing artwork on T-Shirts. This is the business of selling fashionable apparel to consumers. And right now people get a kick out of pop culture references with little clever tweaks. I’ve seen plenty of original artwork come out of the hundreds camp (NOTE: I’m a direct competitor that has no personal interest in promoting them) but these guys are smart and savvy enough to know what THEIR consumer likes. And maybe their nerdy little followers like Cool World. Its a forgotten movie that no one cares about anymore and I guarantee you The Hundreds have sold more t-shirts than paramount has sold cool world dvds in the last year. Paramount should thank them…
the hundreds is the worst brand ever.
everything they caim from their past to the shit they make is all a huge lie.
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People are just a bunch of lazy-asses. How hard is it to create your own character?
I’m sick and tired of people who aren’t creative becoming designers.